JAMES GREENSTREET. P.S.-During the passing of this roll through the press, it has been pointed out to me that the castles in the coat of Cobham, No. 17, were doubtless introduced by the Harleian 6137 copyist, Sir John Oldcastle being dead at the time of the siege. The entry probably relates to the lord of Sterborough, and the charges on the chevrons should be three estoiles sa., not lions rampant. Guillim's copy has a chevron tricked in ink in each of the four quarters, but nothing else added, which seems to indicate that there was some difficulty in making out what the charges were intended for. PRIVATE CORRESPONDENCE OF THE LATE RIGHT HON. JOHN WILSON CROKER. 2. From Mr. Croker to Mr. A. Greville, Bath King-at-Arms — "West Molesey, Surrey, 14 March, 1852. "MY DEAR GREVILLE, "Ask the Duke, from me, to be so good as to answer this question : 6 "M. Lamartine, amongst other wonderful (as they seem to me) stories, says that at the last charge at Waterloo, the Duke himself drew his sabre, and putting himself at the head of the column of cavalry charged like a common trooper.' I don't think that the Duke ever forgot that he was a general and not a trooper. It would not surprise me to hear that he had not even drawn his sword that day. Perhaps also I might venture to ask his Grace whether he did say Up Guards and at them.' This also is very unlike him; but it was certainly a moment in which he might have departed from his usual style. Pray let me have your answer as soon as you can find an opportunity of speaking to the Duke. Give him my affectionate regards, and, I fear, farewells! I write from bed, where I am confined by (we think) some disease of the heart, and can (tho' the danger may not be immediate) hardly hope that I shall ever again see my illustrious and dear friend. Ever, my dear Greville, faithfully yours, as "A. Greville, Esq. 66 "J. W. CROKER." *In G. the name is written "Inglows." This shield is not completed in G. The name stands "Thomas Archer." G. draws the birds as shovellers, and against the first four of the shields which succeed this one is written in pencil: "Note wheth[er] these tha[t] follow w[ere] at the sei[ge]." They belong, however, to the collection On the above letter is endorsed the following memorandum, in the handwriting of the Duke of Wellington : "I certainly did not draw my sword. I may have ordered and I dare say I did order the charge of the Cavalry and pointed out its direction, but I did not charge as a common trooper. I have at all times been in the habit of covering as much as possible the troops exposed to the fire of cannon. I place them behind the top of the the better to cover them from the fire. rising ground, and make them sit and lie down After the fire of the enemy's cannon, the enemy's troops may have advanced, or a favorable opportunity of What I must have said, and possibly did say, was, 'Stand up attacking might have arrived. Guards!' and then gave the commanding officers the order to attack. "My common practice in a defensive position was to attack the enemy at the very moment at which he was about to attack our troops! "I am very sorry indeed to hear that you are unwell. You must keep yourself quiet and take rest." [See "N. & Q.," 1st S. v. 396, 425; vi. 11, 400; viii 111, 184, 204, 275; x. 90.] A RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH MIDDLE TEMPLE LANE.-On the gates forming the entrance to affixed a notice to the effect that this entrance Middle Temple Lane from the Embankment is (which is the only exit from Middle Temple Lane to the Embankment) is intended for the use of those resident in the two Temples, or having business there. The Temples being private property, it is clear that all ways into or through them are prima facie private ways, and the public is only permitted to use them by the sufferance of the owners of the soil. But there seems reason for believing that this presumption of exclusive right in the members of the Temple to the use of Middle Temple Lane can be rebutted, and that by showing a right of way for the public (possibly for limited purposes) over the same during the daytime. Although we cannot show the existence of such a right as this at the commencement of the reign of Richard I. (the commencement of legal memory), nor is it necessary that we should do so, yet we can show that it was in existence in the reign of Edward III., thus raising a presumption that it existed at the former date. There are three mandates of that king, dated respectively 2 Nov., 2 Edw. III. (1329), 15 Jan., 3 Edw. III. (1330), and 10 March, 28 Edw. III. (1354). The first of these is headed, "de portis novi Templi Londoniæ per majorem obfirmatis, of arms temp. Edward IV., which in the Harleian MS. 6137 likewise follows the "Rouen " Roll, and is known as the "Gentry" Roll of Arms, and "alii fideles nostri" of the first and third mandates. Possibly it may be well contended that this right of way (if there be one) is limited to a right of passage for the purpose of reaching the water, and there taking boat. But supposing this too, to be conceded, we may maintain that there is still occasion for the exercise of the right, for is there not a steamboat pier close to the Temple Gardens, convenient to be used by "our justices and clerks and others" going to Westminster? gates open, and thus preserving the right of way for the public. From the days of Edward III. downwards we constantly read of persons taking boat at the Temple stairs, and no doubt using Middle Temple Lane as the way to the water. In all such maps as include the Temple in Stow's Survey (Strype's edition) there is indicated a welldefined, and somewhat broad, way through the Temple down to the water's edge, and this seems to be intended for Middle Temple Lane. ne per aquam transitus Justiciariis prohibeatur, aperiendis," is directed to the Mayor of London and after reciting that there ought to be, and had been "totis temporibus retroactis, . . . per medium Curiæ novi Templi Londoniæ usque aquam Tamisiæ communis transitus, pro justiciariis et clericis nostris ac aliis, negotia sua apud Westmonasterium prosequentibus, et per aquam transire volentibus," and that the Mayor was in the habit of keeping the doors of the Temple closed during the day, whereby this right was interfered with-contains a command to him to It is noticeable that the king, in his grant of the keep the same gates open all day. The second Temple to the Hospitallers, reserves to himself mandate is entitled, "de ponte novi Templi Lon- the right of appointing the gate-keeper (Monast., doniæ reparando"-is directed to John de Pul-vi. 80), presumably for the purpose of keeping the teneye, Mayor, and, after declaring the existence of the "communis transitus" in almost the same language as the first-mentioned document, except that the right is declared to belong "tam clericis de cancellaria nostra et aliis ministris nostris, quam aliis quibuscumque," reiterates the command to keep the gates open; and then, after saying that "Pons per quem transitus ad aquam ... existet " was in a ruinous condition, commands the Mayor to repair the bridge. The third mandate is directed by the king, "dilecto sibi in Christo Fratri Johanni Pavely, Priori Hospitalis Sancti Johannis Jerusalem in Angliâ" (Edward having, subsequent to the date of the two first-mentioned documents, viz., in the twelfth year of his reign, granted the residue of the manor of the new Temple to the Hospitallers, they having been in the possession of the Church since the suppression of the Templars); and, after mentioning that the bridge by way of which "tam magnates quam alii fideles nostri" were accustomed to take boat for Westminster was again in need of repair, commands that these repairs be effected "sine dila-purposes? tione," lest, for the want of such repairs, "transitus hominum per pontem illum impediatur aliqualiter THE "TURK'S HEAD BAGNIO."-More than one in futuro." These three mandates are to be found well-known locality has, I believe, been traditionin Rymer's Fodera. Here we have a clear state-ally assigned as the scene of the famous chamber ment that for a long time previous to the reign of duel in Hogarth's "Marriage à la Mode." The only Edward III. there had been a right of way evidence, however, which the picture itself affords through the Court of the Temple to the water, in the matter is a bill on the ground, in the rightfor the justices, clerks of the chancery, and those hand corner, bearing the words "The Bagnio" and attending the Parliament and king's councils, and the representation of a Turk's head in an oval. for all others whomsoever (see mandate of Jan. 15, Hence Ireland and others speak of the place as 1330). the "Turk's Head bagnio." The "Turk's Head" was a common commercial sign, in special favour with bathing houses, and no doubt continued to be used by many establishments in which-as the notes on the "Marriage à la Mode" found among the papers of Mr. Lane, of Hillingdon, discreetly put it-"the bath was but the accessory, the appendix," to a more prosperous, if less reputable, business. I have been fortunate enough to find the old bill of an actual and veritable "Turk's Head Bagnio." I do not for a moment suppose it to refer to the place that Hogarth intended; It may be argued that the words "aliis" and "alii fideles nostri," used in the first and third mandates respectively, must be construed to refer only to persons ejusdem generis with "justiciariis" and "clericis" in the one case, and "magnates" in the other; but even if this be allowed, the words of the second mandate are, I believe, sufficient to include the general public, for these words are not, be it observed, "aliis" alone, but "aliis quibuscumque"; and they may perhaps be taken as explanatory of, and additional to, the "aliis " I have no wish to call in question the existence, or suggest the curtailment, of a right, to whomsoever it may belong; least of all of a right belonging to those highly respected and learned bodies, the Honourable Societies of the Inner and Middle Temple. But I would crave leave to ask by what means have "the others whomsoever," i.e. the public, lost their right (as opposed to user by sufferance) to a way over Middle Temple Lane, and the Benchers of the two Societies obtained a right to limit its use, or the use of the gates forming the entrance to it, to certain persons, or certain F. S. W. I have no desire to vex the ghost of the departed Alice Neale. Patronized by the "Nobility and Gentry in and about the City of London," she may have been a person of unimpeachable character, having no sort of relationship to the frail sisterhood from which Foote drew his famous "Mrs. Cole." But, without maligning this particular institution, it was doubtless to some such "back Door with a Lamp" that a pair of hired chairs, borne swiftly along by thick-calved Irish chairmen, came furtively from the masquerade on that eventful evening when the earl was killed. And it needs no great stretch of imagination to infer that to those same noisy and combative Hibernian bearers, always ready for a fight or a guinea, the earl was indebted for that precise information which enabled him to follow so speedily upon his faithless lady and her lover. AUSTIN DOBSON. "SPARE THE ROD AND SPOIL THE CHILD."—An inquiry has been lately carried on in the columns of the Illustrated London News as to the origin and history of this saying, and the discussion has been assumed to be closed with a statement (on the authority of Prof. Skeat, I believe) that its first appearance in print is in Clarke's Paræmiologia Anglo-Latina, 1639. It will be found, however, in a similar collection, Thomas Draxe's Bibliotheca Scholastica, 1633 (but preface dated 1615), and he probably took it from the following passage in Davies of Hereford's Scourge of Folly, 1611 : "I must Whippe you for lying, now you lie untrust: I have tane you with the manner (too vilde). Untrusse to spare the Rodd's to spill the childe." Epigram 212, p. 101. "Spill" and "spoil" are, of course, convertible terms. It is worthy of remark that, though the proverbs which form the staple of the Scourge of Folly are throughout it printed in italics, the line in question is not so printed; from which it may perhaps be inferred that this proverb was first formulated by Davies himself, and so afterwards gained general currency. VINCENT S. LEAN. Windham Club. GOOD ADVICE TO LETTER WRITERS AND READERS.-A friend placed in my hands, the other day, a printed slip of advice, which I think might be useful if reproduced in " N. & Q." It runs thus : "If a letter consist of one page only, read it at once, for there is probably something in it. If of two pages, into your pocket and read it at your leisure. If of four it is doubtful; but-read it. If of three pages, put it pages, throw it into the fire, for you may be sure that there is nothing in it. A badly written letter is an act of injustice, as well as a practical insult upon the person to whom it is addressed. It is mere selfishness on the part of the writer to inflict upon his correspondent a maximum amount of difficulty and loss of time, simply to save himself from a minimum amount of trouble in writing clearly. A letter without a date is more than a nuisance." Hampstead, N.W. E. WALFORD, M.A. THE BALACLAVA CHARGE.-I think a list of the surviving officers of this memorable charge would be interesting. Can any of the readers of "N. & Q." give a list? The last officer, I believe, who has passed away, who was present at this charge, was the gallant Col. F. A. Weatherley, killed at the Cape, on the Zlobane Mountain, March 28, 1879. DUNELM. IRISH MARRIAGE SETTLEMENT, 1873.-As "the manners and customs of the Irish " just now occupy a good deal of the public attention, perhaps the accompanying copy of a marriage settlement of one of my tenants in the north of Ireland, the original of which (about the size of one's hand) is now before me, may be acceptable to the readers of "N. & Q." It has at least one advantage-there is no unnecessary verbiage. As I believe the parties are all living, I have not given their names :19 July, 1873. "Mrs. -, Having arranged a marriage between my son James and your daughter Mary, I hereby agree to give my land and interest in my holding in the townland of - to my son James, to come into possession de Route." Have we any "quarter-way INN SIGNS PICKED UP IN FRANCE.-" Au Quart " houses after my decease, and that I will give him said land with-in England? Autant Ici qu'Ailleurs." A "(Signed) quaintly modest invitation, the counterpart of which I do not remember seeing here either. ALPHONSE ESTOCLET. out any incumbrance whatever. "Witness ་་ his X mark." Ev. PH. SHIRLEY. Queries. We must request correspondents desiring information on family matters of only private interest, to affix their names and addresses to their queries, in order that the answers may be addressed to them direct. THAMES EMBANKMENTS.-The frontispiece to The Adventures of Rivella; or, the History of the Author of the Atalantis, 8vo., 1714, represents the south front of Somerset House, and a very distinct embankment or water wall, with a parapet, over which two gentlemen, in the garden above, are looking down upon the river, on which two swans are disporting themselves. The plate is from a design by P. la Vergne, and seems to have been used by Curll as a frontispiece for other books, such, for example, as Mrs. Baker's novel, Exilius; or, the Banished Roman, 1715. Old views all seem to show that the grounds of the houses on the river side were laid out in terraces. There seem to have been three terrace walls to the grounds of old Essex House, and two to those of Somerset House. Is this print to be received as a correct representation, or is it a fancy sketch? Perhaps it is in part correct, as far as the terrace wall is concerned, but incorrect in representing the Thames water as coming up to the foot of the wall. EDWARD SOLLY. ASOK, ASOKA, ASHRAKA, OR ASHOCKA,* &c.Extract from the Tuzuk-i-Bábari; or, Missing Fragment of the Memoir of the Moghal Emperor Bábar, by Sir Henry Elliot, vol. iv. p. 281: "Events of the year 935 (1528-29 A.D.).- On Sunday, the 5th Mohurrum, intending to visit Gualior, which in books they write Gáliár, I passed the Jumna and entered the fort of Agra. On the 10th I alighted at the ChárBágh, a kós from Gualior to the north, and next morning I entered Gualior by the Hathi-Púl gate, which is close by Rája Mán Singh's palace, and proceeded to Rája Bikramájit's palace. "On Tuesday, the 14th, messengers arrived from Bikramájít, the second son of Rána Sanka, who with his mother Padmá-vati, was in Ran-Thambhór. Before setting out to visit Gwalior, a person had come from a Hindu named Asok, who was high in Bikramájít's confidence, with offers of submission and allegiance, expressing a hope that he would be allowed seventy lacs as an annuity. The bargain was concluded, and it was settled that, on delivering up the fort of Ran-Thambhor, he should have parganas assigned him equal to what he had asked. After making this arrangement, I sent back his messengers. When I went to survey Gwalior I made an appointment to meet his men in Gwalior. They were several days later than the appointed time. Asok, the Hindú, had himself been with Padmá vatí, Bikramájít's mother, and had explained to the mother and son everything that had passed. They approved of Asok's proceedings, and agreed to make the * Antiquities and Coins of Afghán-i-stán, by H. H. Wilson, p. 99; Illustrated London News, Nov. 29, 1879, W. Simpson, Esq., p. 490; Classical Dictionary, by Prof. John Dowson, M.A., p. 26; Indian Antiquary, vol. vi. p. 449. proper submissions, and to rank themselves among my subjects. When Ráná Sanka defeated Sultán Máhmúd and made him prisoner, the Sultán had on a splendid crown-cap and golden girdle, which fell into the hands of the pagan, who, when he set Sultán Máhmúd at liberty, retained them. They were now with Bikramájít. By the person who came from him to wait on asked Báyána in exchange for Ran-Thambhór. I me he now sent me this crown and golden girdle, and diverted them from their demand of Bayána, and Shamsábád was fixed on as the equivalent for Ran Thambhór." Asok of the above account is supposed to have been Asoka of the bilingual Páli edicts found at different places between Mount Abú, in Meywár, and Kápúr di Giri, in Afghán-i-stán,† one of the Greek palæological dobash double-tongued pápás, or priests, who travelled in India during the Mahábharata, at the time of the Reformation in Europe. Padmá-vati, meaning wealthy, the second widow of the Ráná Sanka of the Tuzuk-i-Bábari, is evidently the Poppa Bai of the Hindu account of the affair given by Col. Tod. But while he speaks of her disloyalty in having been bribed to agree to the bargain, strange to say, he altogether ignores her name as well as that of Asok, the confidential agent who acted for her on the occasion, and, what is still more perplexing, describes her in a note as being a different person, that is to say, a princess of ancient times, who had then become proverbial among the Ráj-púts on account of her mismanaged sovereignty. When, and by whom, was the popular Indian romance Qissa Padmávati written, and does it throw any further light upon the matter? R. R. W. ELLIS. Dawlish. VEGETIUS. the art of curing them: as also of the Diseases of Oxen "Vegetius Renatus of the Distempers of Horses and and the Remedies proper for them.... Translated into English by the Author of the Translation of Columella London, Printed for A. Millar, opposite Catherine Street in the Strand, 1748." 8vo. This book, which I possess, is curious and interesting in several respects. Will some one give me information as to the original from which it is taken? The article on Vegetius in Smith's Dictionary of Biography and Mythology mentions his Rei Militaris Instituta, but tells us nothing of any book on the distempers of horses. Is the original or mediæval compilation published under his name, or has the writer of the article been at fault? ANON. THE GROWTH OF HAIR.-A hairdresser, remarking upon the frequency of a stronger growth of hair upon one side of the face than on the other, stated that it always grew more strongly on that The Lost Tribes, by G. Moore, M.D., p. 269. ‡ Annals and Antiquities of Ráj-Asthán, by Lieut.Col. James Tod, vol. i. pp. 307-10. side on which the man himself was stronger. asks Louise, "Have you eaten your Philippine? He added that he "had been told by a doctor" Then make up your mind; wish, and you shall that you would never find heart disease in a patient have." Did this piece of folk-lore obtain in the when the growth of hair on the left side of his face court of Louis Quatorze, or has the author only was the thicker. (1) Is this a prevalent belief? taken a novelist's privilege? H. FISHWICK, F.S.A. (2) Has it any connexion with a theory of magnetic polarity in the human body? (3) Is there any literature on the subject? FRANK REDE FOWKE. 24, Victoria Grove, Chelsea. "SUBSIDENCE."-Some years ago the question was asked in "N. & Q." whether the second syllable of this word should be pronounced long or short. The recent extraordinary subsidences at Blackheath (Times, Jan. 13, p. 7, col. 5) have renewed the inquiry. Certainly in society we almost always hear it as subsidence. Is this right or wrong? P. DISSECTION OF SWINE.-This was the recognized way of learning human anatomy, in the Italian schools at least (Salerno, Bologna, &c.), | before dissection of the human subject was sanctioned by Church or State. Can any one furnish me with references to this in any medieval book on medicine, or university statutes? NELLIE MACLAGAN. MARGARET RUSSELL, THIRD DAUGHTER OF FRANCIS, SECOND EARL OF BEDFORD.—In looking through some old deeds of the Clifford family, which are in my possession, I met with an indenture drawn up between George, third Earl of Cumberland, and one of his tenants, in the year 1603, bearing the signature of R. Russell as an attesting witness. George, third Earl of Cumberland, married, in 1577, Margaret Russell, third daughter of Francis, second Earl of Bedford. Will any of your readers kindly tell me what, if any, was the relationship between this R. Russell and Margaret, Countess of Cumberland? I have not access to Wiffen's Historical Memoirs of the House of Russell. FRED. W. Joy, M.A. Crakehall, Bedale. ST. GODWALD.-We read in The Calendar of the Anglican Church (Parker, 1851) that a village and church in Worcestershire are named after St. Godwald, who also had formerly a chapel outside Sidbury Gate at Worcester. Further information respecting this saint is desired. ST. IBAR.-In an Irish charm, written on the last page of the Stowe Missal, St. Ibar is associated with the cure of blindness. What authority is there for such an association? To what legend does it refer? F. E. WARREN. St. John's College, Oxford. JOHN BOOKER, or Bowker, THE ASTROLOGer. -Can you give me any information as to this once celebrated person's descendants? He was the friend of Lilly, Wharton, and Ashmole, and was buried at St. James's, Duke's Place, London, April, 1667. I should also be glad of any information regarding this family. C. E. B. BOWKER. Saffron Walden, Essex. WHEN WERE PHEASANTS INTRODUCED INTO THIS COUNTRY?-In Dugdale's Baronage, vol. i. p. 701, I find that King John, in 1199, granted to William Briwere a licence "to hunt the hare, fox, cat, and wolf, throughout all Devonshire," &c., "and to have free warren throughout all his own lands, for hares, pheasants, and partridges." F. W. J. W. BARRINGTON, OF NORTH WALES, BORN 1789, DIED 1843.-I ask for any information respecting the above, my grandfather. His history is short. At thirteen or fourteen he ran away from home, because it was against his father's wishes that he should go to sea, and, joining some ship at a port unknown, he went in her to India, where he settled, made a fortune, married, and died. When travelling in the East some years ago, I made a visit to Calcutta, in the hope of gaining some important information about him; but of those who knew him many had passed away, whilst those living could not tell me what part A PHILIPPINE.-In Cornwall (and probably in of Wales he came from. At length I visited the other parts of England) a nut with two kernels is old cemetery at Calcutta, and on a massive tombcalled a "philippine" (or more correctly a philip-stone I read and copied the following inscription: pina). The person who cracks such a nut presents" Wm. Barrington, Esq., born N. Wales, June 17, it to some one at the table, and a challenge is 1789; died in Calcutta, June 25, 1843." If any thereby given and accepted, the condition thereof of your correspondents could tell me if any branches being that whichever of the two first greets the of the family are living, or if they have heard of other next morning with "Good morning, Philip-any Barringtons residing in some towns or villages pina," is entitled to a present. Whyte-Melville, in in North Wales, I should feel extremely obliged. his Sister Louise, refers to " Philippine," but instead WILLIAM BARRINGTON. of a nut the fruit is a double strawberry. Athénée 19, Green Park, Bath. |