Mr. PATTERSON. We had a serial number with our name typed on a little piece of cloth and sewed in the back of our coats, in the collars of our coats. Mr. SOURWINE. In your coat collar? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Now, at the Lenin School after you got there, what was the first occasion when you saw Hall? Mr. PATTERSON. At a meeting of the American students to organize the student body. Mr. SOURWINE. Where was that held? Mr. PATTERSON. It was held in the building of the school dormitory, I believe it was Troyanovsky Boulevard. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you use a party name at the Lenin School? Mr. SOURWINE. All students used such names, is that correct? Mr. SOURWINE. What was your party name? Mr. PATTERSON. Cotton Terry. Mr. SOURWINE. What was Hall's party name? Mr. PATTERSON. Malone. Mr. SOURWINE. What were some other party names used? Mr. PATTERSON. Well, Ed Williams was George Washington, and Pete Garcia was Abraham Lincoln, and Abe Harfield was J. P. Morgan. Mr. SOURWINE. At this meeting of the auditorium of the Lenin School where you met Hall, who addressed the meeting? Mr. PATTERSON. At the Lenin School? Mr. SOURWINE. Yes. Mr. PATTERSON. Clarence Hathaway. Mr. SOURWINE. Who was Clarence Hathaway? Mr. PATTERSON. He was the representative of the American Communist Party Central Committee to the Communist International. Mr. SOURWINE. Were the members attending the school and who met at this meeting organized into different groups? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. For what purpose? Mr. PATTERSON. For international propaganda-to deliver international propaganda. Mr. SOURWINE. How were the groups divided, by the subject of propaganda, or the object to be sought, or what manner? Mr. PATTERSON. The object to be sought. Mr. SOURWINE. Would you explain that? Were some of them to go one place and some of them to go another? Mr. PATTERSON. Different parts of the Soviet Union, to explain the terrible conditions in the United States, the country which you came from, and to give praises to everything in the Soviet Union. Mr. SOURWINE. That is, a group would go to the mines, a group would go to the factories, and they would talk about the evils of the United States? Mr. PATTERSON. That is right. Mr. SOURWINE. Where did you live while you were attending the Lenin School? Mr. PATTERSON. I lived the first part-about the first 7 months on Chkolfsky Boulevard, in the school dormitory. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you know the name of that dormitory? Mr. PATTERSON. I don't know the name just now. Mr. SOURWINE. Can you recall the street on which the dormitory was? Mr. PATTERSON. The Chkolfsky Boulevard. Mr. SOURWINE. Where did you eat? Mr. PATTERSON. In the dining room, I think it was on Zolkhonka Boulevard, right near the new dome of the Soviet schoolhouse. Mr. SOURWINE. Did Mr. Hall live in that dormitory? Mr. PATTERSON. Mr. Hall and I lived in the same room. Mr. SOURWINE. You and he both? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. You saw him eating there regularly? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. And you both attended the Lenin School with regularity while you were a student there? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you attend lectures on military strategy and tactics? Mr. PATTERSON. I did. Mr. SOURWINE. Did Hall attend those lectures at the same time? Mr. PATTERSON. He did. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you attend lectures on the erection of barricades? Mr. PATTERSON. I did. Mr. SOURWINE. Did Hall attend those same lectures? Mr. PATTERSON. He did. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you attend lectures on the use of Molotov cocktails? Mr. PATTERSON. We did. Mr. SOURWINE. Did Hall attend those lectures at the same time? Mr. PATTERSON. He did. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you attend lectures on the sabotage and the blowing up of bridges and the overturning of cars as barricades? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Did Hall attend those lectures at the same time? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Who was your professor? Mr. PATTERSON. A Red army professor that had recently returned from China that was training the Chinese, they called them Red guards at that time, in sabotage, and how to use explosives, and guerrilla warfare, et cetera. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you and the other members of the student body at the Lenin School while you were there retain your membership in the Communist Party, U.S.A., during that time? Mr. PATTERSON. No, we were transferred to the Russian Communist Party. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you vote in Russian elections? Mr. PATTERSON. We did. Mr. SOURWINE. Did Hall also vote? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. How do you know that? Mr. PATTERSON. Because all we students voted. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you recall any discussions among the students out of class periods? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. What do you recall about that? Mr. PATTERSON. Well, on one occasion we had a political discussion, a political debate, could the capital system of the United States be overthrown peacefully. This was pertaining to the American students. And the majority took the position that it could not be overthrown peacefully, that it could only be overthrown by a bloody proletarian revolution organized and led by the Communist Party. Mr. SOURWINE. Did Gus Hall, or Malone, as he was known in the party, take part in this? Mr. PATTERSON. On my side? Mr. PATTERSON. That it could only be overthrown by a bloody proletarian, violent revolution led by the Communist Party. Mr. SOURWINE. Now, you have named some members of that group. Was Charles White also a member of the group? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you remember his party name? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. What was it? Mr. PATTERSON. Just a minute. Senator KEATING. Maybe it was Rockefeller. Mr. PATTERSON. I will have to pass it now. Mr. SOURWINE. Was it Jimmie Walker? Mr. PATTERSON. No, Jimmie Walker, somebody else used that name. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you know who did? Mr. PATTERSON. A student from New Jersey. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you know what his real name was? Mr. PATTERSON. I have forgotten it. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Jennie Cooper a Lenin School student at that time? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Steve Nelson? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Bill Lawrence? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Philip Frankfeld? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Vera Hathaway? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Monyia Rice? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Clara Cline? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Mabel Tusca? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Do you remember any others? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Tell us. Mr. PATTERSON. William Odell Nowell, Payne, Milton, Hutchins, George Hewitt. Mr. SOURWINE. Any others that you can recall at the moment? Mr. PATTERSON. Not right at the moment-yes, Patricia Mr. SOURWINE. If you remember other names later, will you give them to the committee? Mr. PATTERSON. I will. Mr. SOURWINE. Now, while you were in Moscow, were you a member of the Young Communist International Commission on the American Young Communist League? Mr. PATTERSON. I was. Mr. SOURWINE. Who was the head of that? Mr. PATTERSON. The executive secretary of the Young Communist International, Chemodanov. Mr. SOURWINE. Chemodanov? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Can you tell us who were some of the other members? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Max Young, he was a representative from the Young Communist International of the American Young Communist League; and Gilbert Green, at that time the national secretary of the American Young Communist League; and Jack Kling, who was a national committeeman of the American Young Communist League; and the national committee members of the Young Communist League in Moscow, which included Charlie White, Leonard Patterson, and Gus Hall; and also in attendance that weren't a national committee member was Jimmie Walker. Mr. SOURWINE. When you say Leonard Patterson, you mean yourself? Mr. PATTERSON. That is right. Mr. SOURWINE. And so Gus Hall, the man sitting here with you at the table, was a member of that commission with you in Moscow at that time? Mr. PATTERSON. He was. Mr. SOURWINE. Did that commission have sessions-did it meet? Mr. PATTERSON. We had a minimum of one session a day for approximately 5 days. Mr. SOURWINE. Where? Mr. PATTERSON. In the Communist International Building in Moscow, Russia. Mr. SOURWINE. While you were in Moscow, did you attend the 12th plenum of the executive committee of the Communist International? Mr. PATTERSON. I did. Mr. SOURWINE. Where was that held? Mr. PATTERSON. Held in our school dormitory, in the auditorium. Mr. SOURWINE. Did Hall attend that? Mr. PATTERSON. He did. Mr. SOURWINE. Who spoke? Mr. PATTERSON. Well, Kuusinen, Otto Kuusinen, he gave the main political report; Earl Browder spoke there; Ernst Thaelmann spoke there; Piatnitsky spoke there; and others. Mr. SOURWINE. That is Piatnitsky? Did Pollitt speak? Mr. PATTERSON. Harry Pollitt from Great Britain; yes, he spoke. Mr. SOURWINE. Did Dmitri Manuilsky speak? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes, he spoke also. Mr. SOURWINE. What position did Kuusinen hold at that time? Mr. PATTERSON. He was executive secretary of the Communist International. Mr. SOURWINE. Did you also while there in Moscow attend a plenum of the Red International of Labor Unions? Mr. PATTERSON. I did. Mr. SOURWINE. Did Hall attend it with you? Mr. PATTERSON. He did. Mr. SOURWINE. Who were the speakers there? Mr. PATTERSON. Ernst Thaelmann from Germany, Jack Stachel from the United States, and Jackson, a Negro from South Africa who was a student in the Lenin University, and Secretary of the South African Communist Party; and others. Mr. SOURWINE. Did Losovsky speak at that plenum? Mr. PATTERSON. He did. Mr. SOURWINE. In May or June of 1932 were you one of that group which attended the sessions of the American Commission of the Communist International dealing with the Communist Party, USA? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Where instructions were outlined for the Communist Party, USA? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Who gave those instructions? Mr. PATTERSON. Otto Kuusinen. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Hall present at that time? Mr. PATTERSON. He was. Mr. SOURWINE. Who else was present? Mr. PATTERSON. Clarence Hathaway was present, Irving Potash was present, Gus Hall was present, and I was present, and the American student body that was in the Lenin School was also present. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Steve Nelson there? Mr. PATTERSON. He was. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Piatnitsky there? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. Was Ed Williams there? Mr. PATTERSON. Yes. Mr. SOURWINE. What were some of the subjects discussed, subjects with respect to which instructions were given? Mr. PATTERSON. The American Communist Party was to carry out the directives set by the Communist International, to concentrate upon five major important districts, the Illinois District, the Pittsburgh District, the Detroit District, the New York District, and the Ohio District-did I say the New York District? Mr. SOURWINE. Yes, you named five. Mr. PATTERSON. And to concentrate upon organizing the workers in the main key industries, namely, the steel industry, around Pittsburgh and Ohio; Illinois; and the coal industry; and the unemployed. Mr. SOURWINE. Were the subway workers in New York City mentioned? |