all the world knoweth what the meaning was. The Lord Chancellor also said to the Lord William Haward that there was no inconvenience therein, to have Christ to be supreme head and the bishop of Rome also: and when I was ready to have answered that there could not be two heads of one church, and have more plainly declared the vanity of that his reason, the Lord Chancellor said, What sayest thou? Make us a direct answer whether thou wilt be one with us of this catholic church, or not, in that state in which we now are.

Rogers. My Lord, without fail I cannot believe that ye yourselves do think in your hearts that he is supreme head in forgiving of sin, &c. All the Bishops of the realm have now twenty years long preached, and some of you also written to the contrary, and the Parliament hath so long agone consented unto it. And there he interrupted me thus.—

Lord Chancellor. Tush, that Parliament was with most great cruelty constrained to abolish and put away the primacy from the bishop of Rome,

Rogers. With cruelty! Why then I perceive that you take a wrong way with cruelty to persuade men's consciences. For it should appear by your doings now that the cruelty then used hath not persuaded your consciences. How would you then have our consciences persuaded with cruelty?

Lord Chancellor. I talk to thee of no cruelty; but that we were so often and so cruelly called upon in that Parliament to let the act go forward; yea, and even with force driven thereunto; whereas in this Parliament it was so uniformly received, as is aforesaid.

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Rogers. Here my Lord Paget told me more plainly, what my Lord Chancellor meant. Unto whom I answered: "My Lord, what will you conclude thereby? that the first Parliament was of less authority, because but few consented unto it: and this last Parliament of greater authority, because more consented unto it? It goeth not, my Lord, by the more or lesser part, but by the wiser, truer, and godlier part." And I would have said more, but the Lord Chancellor interrupted me with his question, willing me once again to answer him. "For," said he, we have more to speak with than thee, who must come in after thee."-And so indeed there were ten persons more out of Newgate, besides two that were not called. Of which ten, one was a citizen of London, which yielded unto them, and nine were contrary: which all came to prison again, and refused the Cardinal's blessing, and the authority of his Holy Father's church, saving that one of these nine was not asked the question, otherwise than thus, whether he would be a honest man as his father was before him, and he answered, Yea; so he was discharged by the friendship of my Lord William Haward, as I have understood. He bade me tell him what I would do; whether I would enter into the one church with the whole realm as it is now, or not? "No," said I, "I will first see it proved by the Scriptures. Let me have pen, ink, and books, &c. and I shall take upon me plainly to set out the matter, so that the contrary shall be proved to be true; and let any man that will confer with me in writing."

Lord Chancellor. Nay, that shall not be permitted

thee. Thou shalt never have so much proffered thee as thou hast now, if thou refuse it and wilt not now consent and agree to the catholic church. Here are two things, mercy and justice: if thou refuse the Queen's mercy now, then shalt thou have justice ministered unto thee.

Rogers. I never offended, nor was disobedient unto her grace, and yet I will not refuse her mercy. But if this should be denied me to confer by writing, and to try out the truth then it is not well, but too far out of the way. Ye yourselves (all the bishops of the realm) brought me to abjure the pretended primacy of the bishop of Romé, when I was a young man twenty years past and will ye now without collation have me to say and do the contrary? I cannot be so persuaded.

Lord Chancellor. If thou will not receive the bishop of Rome to be supreme head of the catholic church then thou shalt never have her mercy, thou mayest be sure. And as touching conferring and trial, I am forbdden by the Scriptures to use any conferring and trial with thee. For St. Paul teacheth me, that I should shun and eschew an heretic after one or two monitions, knowing that such an one is overthrown and is faulty, insomuch as he is condemned by his own judgment.

Rogers. My Lord, I deny that I am an heretic: prove ye that first, and then allege the aforesaid text. -But still the Lord Chancellor played on one string, saying,

Lord Chancellor. If thou wilt enter into one church with us, &c. tell us that, or else thou shalt never have so much proffered thee hast now.

again as thou

Rogers. I will find it first in the Scripture, and see it tried thereby, before I receive him to be supreme head.

Worcester. Why, do ye not know what is in your creed, Credo ecclesiam sanctam catholicam, "I believe the holy catholic church?"

Rogers. I find not the bishop of Rome there. For catholic signifieth not the Romish church: it signifieth the consent of all true teaching churches of all times, and of all ages. But how should the bishop of Rome's church be one of them, which teacheth so many doctrines that are plainly and directly against the word of God? Can that bishop be the true head of the catholic church that doth so? That is not possible. (To be Continued.)

POPERY IN AMERICA.

THIS province is in a very disturbed state; troops have been marched into it from the surrounding provinces, as it is fully expected that they will be wanted. The Popish agitators hold political meetings every Sunday in Montreal after Mass, when the names of the Revolutionists are read over, and they are regularly drilled in companies and regiments as soldiers. It is quite a common thing for political meetings to be held in the public streets and market places on Sundays, directly after Mass, both at Quebec and Montreal; the people are then at leisure; and most inflammatory harangues are then addressed to the mob. On both the Sundays that I was at Quebec there were meetings of this kind in the public streets.

HYMN FOR THE EPIPHANY.

O THOU! who by a guiding Star,
Didst to Judea the Gentiles bring,
Who came from Eastern realms afar
To worship Israel's King;

Who with untired long-suffering grace
Didst lead them safely on to see
The long-expected Saviour's face,
Veil'd in humility.

To us, O Lord, that grace display,
To us that guiding Star be given,
That we may tread that blessed way,-
The only way to heaven!

O never leave us nor forsake!

From first to last our guardian be
As we through faith the journey take
That leads to thee.

And, when time's rapid flight is o'er,
Grant us with joy the day to see,
When he shall be revealed once more
In unveiled Deity!

With the glad throng around thy throne
May we unite in sweet accord,
To bless thy love to sinners shown

Through Christ our Lord!

W. H.